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  • BillyCarpenter
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    Recover/Restore Valley Pool Table

    Most everyone has probably seen pictures of my pool table with the red felt. My brother came to town a couple of weeks ago and we shot pool all weekend. We grew up with a table in the house. He never stopped shooting. I gave it up long ago. He plays at a professional level. Or close to it. He wiped the floor with me when he was in town.


    Anyway, my brother knows everything pool. He told me that my Valley table was made in the early 1970's. It was a tournament table. That means it's 8ft and not the standard 7 ft. bar table. It also has 1" slate instead of the standard 3/4.

    He suggested that I recover the table with Simonis cloth. I looked up the price and it almost took my breath away - $400.00... for a piece of cloth.

    I bit the bullet and it came in the other day. This is much different than any cloth that I've ever seen. It's what the pros shoot on. It has no nap. At all.


    I'm doing a complete refurb. Almost. I kept the rubber on the rails because they were made by Raybestos (yes, the brake company). They used to have a rubber division back in the day and the rubber they used was the best in the world. The rubber is 50 years old and still plays like new. I almost orderrd new rubber but it it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    I also restored all the aluminum trim on the table. I sanded with 600, 1200 and 2000 grit sandpaper and then used aluminum polish and a hi speed buffer.

    The table is all taken apart. I hope to finish it this weekend. The new felt is green. I've recovered most of the rails. Still have to do the slate. It's a job. Whew.



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  • BillyCarpenter
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    Re: Recover/Restore Valley Pool Table

    The rails are done. I'll try to get the slate covered today. Maybe.



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    • BillyCarpenter
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      • blackcat4866
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        Nice work! Do you mind saying, what was the cash investment before labor? You have another possible career. =^..^=
        If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
        1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
        2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
        3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
        4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
        5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

        blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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        • tsbservice
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          Re: Recover/Restore Valley Pool Table

          Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
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          Much better. Good work 👍
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          • BillyCarpenter
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            Originally posted by blackcat4866
            Nice work! Do you mind saying, what was the cash investment before labor? You have another possible career. =^..^=


            Here's a breakdown of what I have in the table.

            I found the pool table on Craigslist. Price: $500.00

            It was an hour away and I had to drive the box truck and pay a couple of guys to help move it. Gas + Labor = $375.00

            The new Simonis 860 cloth was about $400.00


            A new Valley 8ft. table cost about $6,500. I think I came out pretty good.

            On a side note, this is my first time seeing Simonis cloth. It really is beautiful. Much better than the felt that I'm used to playing on.
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            • slimslob
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              Re: Recover/Restore Valley Pool Table

              Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
              Here's a breakdown of what I have in the table.

              I found the pool table on Craigslist. Price: $500.00

              It was an hour away and I had to drive the box truck and pay a couple of guys to help move it. Gas + Labor = $375.00

              The new Simonis 860 cloth was about $400.00


              A new Valley 8ft. table cost about $6,500. I think I came out pretty good.

              On a side note, this is my first time seeing Simonis cloth. It really is beautiful. Much better than the felt that I'm used to playing on.
              When I was in college they had a couple of pool tables in the Student Union. Learning to play those tables was like learning the roll on each green of a golf course. And then there were the rails

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              • BillyCarpenter
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                Originally posted by slimslob
                When I was in college they had a couple of pool tables in the Student Union. Learning to play those tables was like learning the roll on each green of a golf course. And then there were the rails

                Back in the day when I was dialed in to the pool scene, the best tables were Brunswick, Valley and Schmidt. Like everything else, things have changed. Now everyone wants to shoot on Diamond tables and the color of the felt is no longer green, it's tournament blue. In fact, felt isn't even used anymore. Now the pros play on Simonis 860 cloth.

                You're right, there are a lot of variables in pool and the cloth and rails are 2 of the biggest.
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                • slimslob
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                  Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                  Back in the day when I was dialed in to the pool scene, the best tables were Brunswick, Valley and Schmidt. Like everything else, things have changed. Now everyone wants to shoot on Diamond tables and the color of the felt is no longer green, it's tournament blue. In fact, felt isn't even used anymore. Now the pros play on Simonis 860 cloth.

                  You're right, there are a lot of variables in pool and the cloth and rails are 2 of the biggest.
                  I would be inclined to say that the slate is actually the biggest. Once it has deformed even the slightest due to uneven floors, it becomes a learning exercise as to how the balls will roll.

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                  • JR2ALTA
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                    Re: Recover/Restore Valley Pool Table

                    Pro pool is played on 9 foot tables, I think 8 is perfect. Did it have a coin op?

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                    • BillyCarpenter
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                      Originally posted by JR2ALTA
                      Pro pool is played on 9 foot tables, I think 8 is perfect. Did it have a coin op?

                      Yeah, the pros play on 9ft. table. Most amature tournaments are played on a 8ft table. And most bar tables are 7 ft.

                      The Valley pool table I have does have a coin op and it functions perfectly. This table wasn't used much and sat in storage for most of it's life.
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                      • BillyCarpenter
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                        Originally posted by slimslob
                        I would be inclined to say that the slate is actually the biggest. Once it has deformed even the slightest due to uneven floors, it becomes a learning exercise as to how the balls will roll.

                        I'll most times refuse to play on an unlevel table. It's just no fun, IMHO.
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                        • blackcat4866
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                          We had a table in the basement when I was a kid, it was the smallest that I've ever seen, but it was a small basement. And it had a serious lean to the east. If you got anywhere close to the pockets to the east it rolled in. You had to shoot harder to get the balls uphill to the west side of the table.

                          I had home field advantage when I invited friends over. =^..^=
                          If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                          1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                          2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                          3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                          4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                          5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                          blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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