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  • Printer77
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    • Sep 2019
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    bizhub c250i "change toner" but toner cartridge it's full

    Konica Minolta Bizhub c250i shows "depleted toner cartridge" but there is half of toner in cartridge. Toners are original from Konica Minolta. I already tried to clear and give a bigger pressure on contacts between chip and sensor. I also tried to disconnect toner station and turn it back on and still it's same error. I haven't only tried to update firmware. Is that toner chip error or in firmware?
  • tsbservice
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    • May 2007
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    #2
    Re: bizhub c250i "change toner" but toner cartridge it's full

    If K TCR is normal I would at first attempt to do Engine DIP SW 34.
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    • Printer77
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      Re: bizhub c250i "change toner" but toner cartridge it's full

      I forgot to mention it's cyan and yellow toners

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      • tsbservice
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        Re: bizhub c250i "change toner" but toner cartridge it's full

        Originally posted by Printer77
        I forgot to mention it's cyan and yellow toners
        Then use SW31 and 33
        A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
        Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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        • copyman
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          • Sep 2005
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          #5
          Re: bizhub c250i "change toner" but toner cartridge it's full

          Originally posted by tsbservice
          Then use SW31 and 33
          Hate to see these type of issues with the newer models and another reason to stick with the 8 series as long as I can.

          Just so I know what are the soft switches you posted for? I can look in manual but maybe there is something else you can add?

          Thanks

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          • Synthohol
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            • Mar 2016
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            #6
            Re: bizhub c250i "change toner" but toner cartridge it's full

            service mode, stop 0 clear engine sw switch
            just highlight the number, close & and reboot.
            We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
            The medication helps though...

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            • KMFLT3CH
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              • May 2017
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              Re: bizhub c250i "change toner" but toner cartridge it's full

              Originally posted by copyman
              Hate to see these type of issues with the newer models and another reason to stick with the 8 series as long as I can.

              Just so I know what are the soft switches you posted for? I can look in manual but maybe there is something else you can add?

              Thanks

              It resets the toner levels so the machine thinks the bottles are new/full. Works on 8 series as well.

              reset toner.jpg

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              • tsbservice
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                Copyman guys beat me on this one. I don't use it on i series but on 8 where it is not in manual but works.
                A4 i series is another story and AFAIK it won't work.
                A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
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                • tech51
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                  • Jan 2009
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                  #9
                  Re: bizhub c250i "change toner" but toner cartridge it's full

                  Originally posted by tsbservice
                  Copyman guys beat me on this one. I don't use it on i series but on 8 where it is not in manual but works.
                  A4 i series is another story and AFAIK it won't work.
                  A4 i series is dipswitch 6 and open-close the side door.

                  It’s one switch for all the toners, doesn’t reset the gas gauge but gets rid of the message and allows the machine to run.

                  It can take a few goes with the door to reset it though.

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                  • KMFLT3CH
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                    Re: bizhub c250i "change toner" but toner cartridge it's full

                    Originally posted by tech51
                    A4 i series is dipswitch 6 and open-close the side door.

                    It’s one switch for all the toners, doesn’t reset the gas gauge but gets rid of the message and allows the machine to run.

                    It can take a few goes with the door to reset it though.

                    Well I'll be damned you're right, just verified it in the service manual. The wording is a little different compared to the C360i manual.

                    Thanks for the heads up! I had to pop a new chip off another color to fix a new K toner not resetting, definitely going to try this method next time.
                    Last edited by KMFLT3CH; 02-20-2023, 09:13 PM.

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                    • tsbservice
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                      Re: bizhub c250i "change toner" but toner cartridge it's full

                      Originally posted by tech51
                      A4 i series is dipswitch 6 and open-close the side door.

                      It’s one switch for all the toners, doesn’t reset the gas gauge but gets rid of the message and allows the machine to run.

                      It can take a few goes with the door to reset it though.
                      I tried it once on C3350i with full black toner borrowed from another machine but machine will see it as an empty.
                      However right side door wasn't open-closed. It was important to run the machine until new toner arrives and your tip is well noted. Thanks
                      A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
                      Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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                      • femaster
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                        • May 2011
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                        #12
                        Re: bizhub c250i "change toner" but toner cartridge it's full

                        Originally posted by KMFLT3CH
                        Well I'll be damned you're right, just verified it in the service manual. The wording is a little different compared to the C360i manual.

                        Thanks for the heads up! I had to pop a new chip off another color to fix a new K toner not resetting, definitely going to try this method next time.
                        I have to assume that the C3350i would fall under the A4 category, but I am failing to locate the information in the service manual for this switch 6. Any help with locating it would be appreciated. We've had way too many toners on these that the customer has changed prematurely due to the Image Unit issues on these models. I'd love to be able to force the machines to reuse these partially used toners.

                        So far what we've been doing is pulling the chips off the toners in new machines we are setting up and swapping in the popped chips from the partially used toners. The new machines don't need to pop the chip on the toners to reset anything since the machine is new.
                        A Ricoh Service Tech for 7 year. A Konica Minolta Service Tech for 7 years. Now, KM service manager for 4 years.
                        My Ricoh knowledge is slowly dwindling away at this point. Many things have been lost to time...

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                        • KMFLT3CH
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                          Re: bizhub c250i "change toner" but toner cartridge it's full

                          Originally posted by femaster
                          I have to assume that the C3350i would fall under the A4 category, but I am failing to locate the information in the service manual for this switch 6. Any help with locating it would be appreciated. We've had way too many toners on these that the customer has changed prematurely due to the Image Unit issues on these models. I'd love to be able to force the machines to reuse these partially used toners.

                          So far what we've been doing is pulling the chips off the toners in new machines we are setting up and swapping in the popped chips from the partially used toners. The new machines don't need to pop the chip on the toners to reset anything since the machine is new.


                          Looking at the "latest" manual dated 7/27/2022 / function version 2.2

                          The switch info is on PDF page 380 or document page J-20

                          Switch No. 6 / Choice of toner empty recovery mode

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                          • tsbservice
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                            #14
                            Re: bizhub c250i "change toner" but toner cartridge it's full

                            Originally posted by femaster
                            I have to assume that the C3350i would fall under the A4 category, but I am failing to locate the information in the service manual for this switch 6. Any help with locating it would be appreciated. We've had way too many toners on these that the customer has changed prematurely due to the Image Unit issues on these models. I'd love to be able to force the machines to reuse these partially used toners.

                            So far what we've been doing is pulling the chips off the toners in new machines we are setting up and swapping in the popped chips from the partially used toners. The new machines don't need to pop the chip on the toners to reset anything since the machine is new.
                            Engine FW Dip SW
                            A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
                            Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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                            • femaster
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                              #15
                              Re: bizhub c250i "change toner" but toner cartridge it's full

                              Originally posted by KMFLT3CH
                              Looking at the "latest" manual dated 7/27/2022 / function version 2.2

                              The switch info is on PDF page 380 or document page J-20

                              Switch No. 6 / Choice of toner empty recovery mode
                              Originally posted by tsbservice
                              Engine FW Dip SW
                              Thank you to both of you. I was searching, but wasn't using the correct words to locate it. Got it now, appreciate the help in locating it.
                              A Ricoh Service Tech for 7 year. A Konica Minolta Service Tech for 7 years. Now, KM service manager for 4 years.
                              My Ricoh knowledge is slowly dwindling away at this point. Many things have been lost to time...

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