Kyocera vs Konica minolta?
Anyone work on both the Kyocera and the Konica-Minolta lines? Which do you prefer to work on? is one easier than the other?
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I've wanted to make a youtube video of replacing feed rollers side-by-side on a Kyocera and Konica. The Kyo video would end at about 29 seconds, Konica 11 minutes.
I'm pretty sure I could actually install a Kyocera PM kit quicker than replacing Konica feed rollers.
Konica has lots of firmware bugs and board failures. When I worked on Kyocera a few years ago this was very very rare.Comment
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I agree with you 100% as far as output quality is concerned but the newest Kyocera color boxes are pretty good (I'm talking about the TASKalfa 3551ci/4551ci/5551ci models, their console models still suck balls)
Kyocera is a much more tech friendly box to work on for almost the entire product line.They call me Supertech for a reasonComment
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Yes, you do have to keep up on firmware with KonMin machines, but colour is likely the best in the industry. With the new b/w line being the same box as the colour line it makes b/w better as well. Changing feed rollers may take minutes instead of seconds, but it gives the tech a chance to check for potential issues with the feed assembly.Comment
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It would be nice if km redesigned their feed units to be more tech friendly and do away with silly one way bearings riding on the shafts and make the rollers gear driven etc.
Perhaps just rip off the xerox design but make the rubber last more than 5 minutes and you would have a great solution.Comment
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On the new e Series they finally made the feed rollers pretty simple to get to. On production, they're still using 90s tech unless you get the air feeders.
As far as KM vs Kyo, I'd take KM over Kyo any day of the week for most things.. Kyo does has some good design aspects tho, but perhaps I'm biased as I've worked on mostly KM for 6 years now.
Kyos are usually alot cheaper than KMs there for are competitive when customers are considering purchases..Comment
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Re: Kyocera vs Konica minolta?
The simpler they make these machines, the less they need us.Comment
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I work on both. Trained more extensively on KonMin machines than Kyo though.
Both have +'s and -'s obviously.
The new e series rollers take seconds to replace now. No real need to unscrew the feed unit anymore. Mostly. Kyo obviously had this advantage long ago.
The Colour machines in the KonMin range these days are simple to replace drums/dev etc. No need to remove the Image Formation Unit, then toner bottles, then devs and drums. I think you need to take the belt out first, which requires the fuser to be removed. Always hated doing that.
I've also been to a couple of those Kyo 'Smart' machines where all the parts are user replaceable. All the parts usually reserved for techs are now clipped out by the user. Drums, Fusers, Transfer belts, transfer roller etc etc. Makes it a good choice for T&M customer well out of the way. Charge the parts, and ship the parts to them if they want to replace them. I guess the only problem there is finding someone intelligent, and confident enough to replace them.Comment
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Re: Kyocera vs Konica minolta?
In my opinion after working with them both for just over 2 years
best of Kyocera
B&W range
Tech friendly (except TA range access to drum area...)
Boards and electrical (but some connectors are crazy hard to release)
firmware - finding latest and upgrading is so easy hassle free
Tech support
Price of parts
best of Konica Minolta
user control panel (except for 4 series slide panel... stupid idea)
Colour range
Mechanical reliability
clean machine
....wow finding it hard to say what's good about them, and believe it or not I am a fan...Hey what ya doing? - just screwing around.Comment
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