Kyocera Service Manual Names vs Parts Manual Names

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  • Samanator
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    • Sep 2017
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    #1

    Kyocera Service Manual Names vs Parts Manual Names

    This started when I read someone was wondering why it was so hard to find the part he was looking for when he used the service manual name for the part. And that true. Trying to do search in the parts manual with service manual name is most times futile.

    I do believe that post was talking about a 6052ci. I found in the 6052ci manual in Chapter 3 Machine Design, there are pages that have the service manual name along side the part manual name and part number. Those pages are called Part Name Table.

    Using Adobe PDF Search (the binocular icon) I was able to put in 'Part Name Table' and it took me right there. I tried this in a few other models from xxx2 and newer and was able to find this list. I did notice that many of the part numbers in these list end in x. I amuse that is to allow for part number changes if they change and/or improve the part. That last digit always starts with '0'.

    In models around the time of the xxx0 and xxx1 models, that didn't work. I did find if I searched for 'List of correspondences of PWB names' I would find just that. A list with the name of the PWB in the service manual and its corresponding parts manual name. No part number. And nothing like the Part Name Table in the newer models.

    Models older the xxx0 models, I could not find any list like these.

    As I did the searches it seems that when Kyocera started making machines with black covers, they started with a PWB list in the service manuals that had the parts book names. Starting with the xxx2 series, it looks like Kyocera started making these service manual with a Part Name Table that had service and part manual names that included part numbers.

    I did not do a deep dive into this. But the above is what I found when doing a few searches. I hope this helps.
  • blackcat4866
    Master Of The Obvious

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    • Jul 2007
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    Kyocera is not alone about this. Each section of the manual is written by a different group of technical writers & engineers. As a consequence the translators frequently choose different translations for the same words. So you can have as many as (4) unique names for exactly the same part, lol.

    The good news is that there is one universal truth. If you know that it's sensor PS3, or motor M21, or fan FM7, this will give you good search results, regardless of what section of the manual or parts manual you're in. This used to drive me crazy. Throw in the mis-spellings like "dumper" for "damper", or "Deveroper Unit", and it's nearly impossible to find your part.

    So my first step always is to discover PS3 or M21 or FM7, then go on from there. And let the search engine do the work for you. =^..^=
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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    • tsbservice
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      • May 2007
      • 7904

      #3
      I never had difficulty finding part number. Speaking of Toshiba, Brother and Konica Minolta.
      I guess my initial training with Toshiba ESPOS aka RIBBON was good enough.
      It's not easy though, as BC mentioned. Japanese engineers are translations are different and difficult.
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      • Dark Helmet
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        • May 2009
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        #4
        My favorite is Ricoh, the sensor named in the jam code does not match the sensor naming in the machine layout in the manual. Have fun trying to figure that one out!
        My first course i asked the instructor how do i figure these out as they don't match. He literally said good luck and carried on. 😑
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