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  • dave w
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    • Jun 2015
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    #1

    IM C300 locking up

  • Gift
    Service Manager

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    • Mar 2011
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    #2
    Re: IM C300 locking up

    Sounds like the machine get's bombed with data from the network or the customer is using generic drivers and or WSD port.
    You can try and disable all unneccessary protocols and perhaps assign a new IP config and install the latest official drivers + IP port.

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    • dave w
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      #3
      Re: IM C300 locking up

      Originally posted by Gift
      Sounds like the machine get's bombed with data from the network or the customer is using generic drivers and or WSD port.
      You can try and disable all unneccessary protocols and perhaps assign a new IP config and install the latest official drivers + IP port.
      Thanks Gift

      yes all was done

      we even used the 307 driver on the MP C300 mfp.
      all drivers from the ricoh website, no generic drivers.

      changed the ip port and WSD was not used.

      We removed the machine off the network and used a 5 port hub to isolate the internet router, also tried the usb connection.

      Thanks again

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      • Daniel_B81
        Technician
        • Jan 2019
        • 38

        #4
        Re: IM C300 locking up

        That sounds like an issue we are having with a similar machine, but it doesn't seem to lockup though.

        The problem that machine is that the fan is running constantly, it seem to happen after a print job, like the machine doesn't go back to idle mode unless you manually press the sleep button.

        If you restart the machine it is quiet until a print job is occured, it is running package 6.18 and i noticed there is a 6.18.1 released now, might be a hotfix for that problem but can't see any releasenotes for that particular update.
        Rank C

        Symptom corrected:
        - This update provides a security update. See this website for
        details: Information List by Vulnerability

        Overwritten Temporary Firmware:
        - LRC2137,CS16525,CS16602
        *This package firmware can overwrite the above temporary firmware.
        For more information, please refer to the technical bulletin
        regarding temporary Firmware overwrite function.
        - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
        Version 6.18
        Rank C

        Symptom corrected:
        - Multibyte characters might be missing from the Web Image Monitor
        display.
        - The input range of bypass tray's custom paper size displayed on
        web image monitor is reversed for the "Vertical" and "Horizontal".
        - Auto Detect (automatic detection of paper size) can be selected
        for the Bypass Tray in WIM (WIM > FAX > Special Sender > Initial
        Setup), even though the machine does not support the use of this
        feature for this tray, and the machine LCD shows this feature as
        "Not selected".
        - A mismatch error with the SSL/TLS encrypted communication settings
        may be displayed on the Operation Panel if the settings are
        changed while the device is in Energy Saver mode.
        - Printing via the Device Server Type M37 may fail after the machine
        is rebooted if a system reset and firmware update are performed on
        the machine.
        - If multiple scanner jobs with clearwrite PDF specification are
        executed and it takes time to create clearwrite PDF for the first
        job, the creation of clearwrite PDF for the subsequent jobs fails
        and the job ends in error. (The first job completes normally.)
        - SC819 might occur when performing RFU via SLNX.
        - When the size of a scanned document is large such as 6MB, a
        Scanner application screen might be feezed and all scanned
        document might not be sent to a shared folder.
        - The data-in lamp and the fax-in-communication lamp may alternately
        blink and the printer may not be able to print.
        - SC940-11, -12, -13 and -14 might occur unnecessarily in multiple time.
        - The authentication server name may not be recorded in the device
        access log when a user logs in to the device via Windows or LDAP
        Authentication.
        - Stored reception files may not be deleted if the user logs out
        with the document(s) selected and User Authentication enabled.
        - The function of help file download from Web Image Monitor does not
        support encrypted communication.

        Other changes:
        - A German misspelling on WIM has been modified.
        - Security enhancements applied for when connecting to the device
        via Remote Panel Operation.
        - Added new engine firmware(D0C95778) to work new BICU designed due
        to difficulty in supplying ICs for scanner I/F.

        Supported:
        - Receiving mail using Microsoft Exchange Online, which requires
        OAuth 2.0 authentication.

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        • Gift
          Service Manager

          1,000+ Posts
          • Mar 2011
          • 2444

          #5
          Re: IM C300 locking up

          Originally posted by dave w
          Thanks Gift

          yes all was done

          we even used the 307 driver on the MP C300 mfp.
          all drivers from the ricoh website, no generic drivers.

          changed the ip port and WSD was not used.

          We removed the machine off the network and used a 5 port hub to isolate the internet router, also tried the usb connection.

          Thanks again
          It's funny that this concerns both PDF and O365 so it's more unlikely that the cause is related to these application or document type. Same goes for
          the network if you ave the same issue with printing from USB (otherwise one might recomment to fiddle around with the network speed).
          Does the client have just one PC or can you test and reproduce it with other computers within the same network? If not hook up your laptop in to
          the clients network and give it another try starting with the same Adobe Reader version and PDF file.

          Even if the MPC307 worked: If the problem is only reproduceable from one PC it is very very likely that something on that end is the cause and seems to trigger the issue.
          IMC controller generation might react different compared to the previous one - we all know that "newer" isn't always "better"^^

          It might be helpful to run a driver cleanup tool and reinstall the drivers from scratch.
          Before that you might try and purge all remaining spooler data:

          Run CMD as admin and then run these three commands:

          Code:
          net stop spooler
          
          del %systemroot%\System32\spool\PRINTERS\* /f /s /q
          
          net start spooler

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          • dave w
            Trusted Tech

            100+ Posts
            • Jun 2015
            • 230

            #6
            Re: IM C300 locking up

            Originally posted by Daniel_B81
            That sounds like an issue we are having with a similar machine, but it doesn't seem to lockup though.

            The problem that machine is that the fan is running constantly, it seem to happen after a print job, like the machine doesn't go back to idle mode unless you manually press the sleep button.

            If you restart the machine it is quiet until a print job is occured, it is running package 6.18 and i noticed there is a 6.18.1 released now, might be a hotfix for that problem but can't see any releasenotes for that particular update.
            Rank C

            Symptom corrected:
            - This update provides a security update. See this website for
            details: Information List by Vulnerability

            Overwritten Temporary Firmware:
            - LRC2137,CS16525,CS16602
            *This package firmware can overwrite the above temporary firmware.
            For more information, please refer to the technical bulletin
            regarding temporary Firmware overwrite function.
            - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
            Version 6.18
            Rank C

            Symptom corrected:
            - Multibyte characters might be missing from the Web Image Monitor
            display.
            - The input range of bypass tray's custom paper size displayed on
            web image monitor is reversed for the "Vertical" and "Horizontal".
            - Auto Detect (automatic detection of paper size) can be selected
            for the Bypass Tray in WIM (WIM > FAX > Special Sender > Initial
            Setup), even though the machine does not support the use of this
            feature for this tray, and the machine LCD shows this feature as
            "Not selected".
            - A mismatch error with the SSL/TLS encrypted communication settings
            may be displayed on the Operation Panel if the settings are
            changed while the device is in Energy Saver mode.
            - Printing via the Device Server Type M37 may fail after the machine
            is rebooted if a system reset and firmware update are performed on
            the machine.
            - If multiple scanner jobs with clearwrite PDF specification are
            executed and it takes time to create clearwrite PDF for the first
            job, the creation of clearwrite PDF for the subsequent jobs fails
            and the job ends in error. (The first job completes normally.)
            - SC819 might occur when performing RFU via SLNX.
            - When the size of a scanned document is large such as 6MB, a
            Scanner application screen might be feezed and all scanned
            document might not be sent to a shared folder.
            - The data-in lamp and the fax-in-communication lamp may alternately
            blink and the printer may not be able to print.
            - SC940-11, -12, -13 and -14 might occur unnecessarily in multiple time.
            - The authentication server name may not be recorded in the device
            access log when a user logs in to the device via Windows or LDAP
            Authentication.
            - Stored reception files may not be deleted if the user logs out
            with the document(s) selected and User Authentication enabled.
            - The function of help file download from Web Image Monitor does not
            support encrypted communication.

            Other changes:
            - A German misspelling on WIM has been modified.
            - Security enhancements applied for when connecting to the device
            via Remote Panel Operation.
            - Added new engine firmware(D0C95778) to work new BICU designed due
            to difficulty in supplying ICs for scanner I/F.

            Supported:
            - Receiving mail using Microsoft Exchange Online, which requires
            OAuth 2.0 authentication.
            Thanks Daniel.

            Yes looks like another update on the 16th December.
            I updated with D0C95492P
            and the new one is
            Ver.6.18.1
            [Firmware No.]

            will do the new PKG update
            I have just ran the Ricoh Firmware tool
            and it says all up to date!
            D0C95492Q

            on a remote session

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            • dave w
              Trusted Tech

              100+ Posts
              • Jun 2015
              • 230

              #7
              Re: IM C300 locking up

              Originally posted by Gift
              It's funny that this concerns both PDF and O365 so it's more unlikely that the cause is related to these application or document type. Same goes for
              the network if you ave the same issue with printing from USB (otherwise one might recomment to fiddle around with the network speed).
              Does the client have just one PC or can you test and reproduce it with other computers within the same network? If not hook up your laptop in to
              the clients network and give it another try starting with the same Adobe Reader version and PDF file.

              Even if the MPC307 worked: If the problem is only reproduceable from one PC it is very very likely that something on that end is the cause and seems to trigger the issue.
              IMC controller generation might react different compared to the previous one - we all know that "newer" isn't always "better"^^

              It might be helpful to run a driver cleanup tool and reinstall the drivers from scratch.
              Before that you might try and purge all remaining spooler data:

              Run CMD as admin and then run these three commands:

              Code:
              net stop spooler
              
              del %systemroot%\System32\spool\PRINTERS\* /f /s /q
              
              net start spooler
              Thanks Gift

              yes only 1 pc used.
              same adobe reader ver
              I think its more likly to be when user prints Excel - constant edit of doc to change cost then CTRL P to print doc, then back to excel doc edits again then CTRL P and so on.

              we have just had the customer calling again and is chucking the dummy out! - so we are going back tomorrow to put back the loan MP C307 until we can work it out.

              thanks
              Dave

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              • dave w
                Trusted Tech

                100+ Posts
                • Jun 2015
                • 230

                #8
                Re: IM C300 locking up

                Starting to dig deeper inthis machine back in the workshop

                Only thing I can see in the error logs is the sc991 error. this would normaly tell me its the PC.
                But why does the MP C307 work fine

                SPOOKY

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                • luca72
                  Field Supervisor

                  1,000+ Posts
                  • Oct 2017
                  • 1673

                  #9
                  Re: IM C300 locking up

                  Originally posted by dave w
                  Starting to dig deeper inthis machine back in the workshop

                  Only thing I can see in the error logs is the sc991 error. this would normaly tell me its the PC.
                  But why does the MP C307 work fine

                  SPOOKY
                  you can try what happen with an your reliable pc's/laptop on that net?
                  "loneliness is an invention of the white man, when we are alone we talk to everything around us, we are never alone" (Ojibwa)

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                  • slimslob
                    Retired

                    Site Contributor
                    25,000+ Posts
                    • May 2013
                    • 36688

                    #10
                    Re: IM C300 locking up

                    Years ago we had a similar problem with a MP C2551. It would print for a few minutes and then stop. Cycle power and everything in queue would print and then stop again. We tried replacing every board in it to no avail. They even swapped it with another one from a different part of their facility. The problem stayed with the location. Turned out to be a five year old 24 port switch. After they replaced it not only did the C2551 start working properly but a couple of computers that were having intermittent trouble accessing the internet no longer had trouble.

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                    • Gift
                      Service Manager

                      1,000+ Posts
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 2444

                      #11
                      Re: IM C300 locking up

                      Originally posted by slimslob
                      Years ago we had a similar problem with a MP C2551. It would print for a few minutes and then stop. Cycle power and everything in queue would print and then stop again. We tried replacing every board in it to no avail. They even swapped it with another one from a different part of their facility. The problem stayed with the location. Turned out to be a five year old 24 port switch. After they replaced it not only did the C2551 start working properly but a couple of computers that were having intermittent trouble accessing the internet no longer had trouble.
                      Reminds me of customer who managed to plug in both ends of the same lan cable in to his switch - it totally stalled the MFP.

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                      • luca72
                        Field Supervisor

                        1,000+ Posts
                        • Oct 2017
                        • 1673

                        #12
                        Re: IM C300 locking up

                        Originally posted by Gift
                        Reminds me of customer who managed to plug in both ends of the same lan cable in to his switch - it totally stalled the MFP.
                        LOL LOL, I've never seen this in my life LOL LOL....and what happened next???
                        "loneliness is an invention of the white man, when we are alone we talk to everything around us, we are never alone" (Ojibwa)

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                        • KenB
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                          • Dec 2007
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                          #13
                          Re: IM C300 locking up

                          Originally posted by luca72
                          LOL LOL, I've never seen this in my life LOL LOL....and what happened next???
                          In a crowded equipment closet, I could totally imagine that happening.
                          “I think you should treat good friends like a fine wine. That’s why I keep mine locked up in the basement.” - Tim Hawkins

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                          • Gift
                            Service Manager

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                            #14
                            Re: IM C300 locking up

                            Originally posted by KenB
                            In a crowded equipment closet, I could totally imagine that happening.
                            As far as I recall the entire office was messy and somewhere near the MFP and between some furniture they had a router and some little - perhaps 8 port - switch lying on the floor and cables all around. After testing the MFP with a direct LAN connection with my laptop I investigated further and got suspicios after seeing ALL port LEDs were flashing high speed in sync so I finally started pulling the LAN cables step by step...

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                            • slimslob
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                              #15
                              Re: IM C300 locking up

                              Originally posted by Gift
                              As far as I recall the entire office was messy and somewhere near the MFP and between some furniture they had a router and some little - perhaps 8 port - switch lying on the floor and cables all around. After testing the MFP with a direct LAN connection with my laptop I investigated further and got suspicios after seeing ALL port LEDs were flashing high speed in sync so I finally started pulling the LAN cables step by step...
                              "ALL port LEDs were flashing high speed in sync" is called jabber. Usually it is caused by a bad interface card but 2 ports connected together can have the switch or more often a hub talking to itself and not knowing what port to respond to. Doesn't happen immediately when connected unless there already is traffic. But as soon as a packet hit, a hub sends it back out on all ports and with the looped back cable it keeps looping. Usually with a switch it would indicate a failed switch as a switch does not usually broadcast traffic on all ports.

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