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  • Rick
    Trusted Tech
    • Mar 2007
    • 277

    #1

    Ricoh Aficio 2045 keeps asking for toner

    This 2045 keeps asking for toner. I replaced the developer and initialized it and it ran for a little while but then the ad toner came back on there is a full toner in it . any ideas anyone?
  • Cipher
    It's not easy being green

    1,000+ Posts
    • May 2006
    • 1309

    #2
    Here are a few things to try...

    Check the toner is geniune Ricoh and is definely for the 2045 model.

    Toner supply is controlled with readings from TD sensor on the dev unit and the I.D sensor above the drum by default.
    These are low cost parts and easy to change.
    (The TD sensor on this model have been known to fluctuate back and forth by a fair margin so is a good place to start).
    (I.D sensors don't fail that often, a good I.D sensor PWN reading should be around '100' mark).

    You could also try stripping down and cleaning out the toner hopper.
    Check the four mylars are present and the grabber is opening wide enough to grab the toner bottle nozzle sucessfully.
    Check the toner hopper exit slider is opening fully when the PCU is inserted.

    Update the firmware.
    There are changes for toner supply releated issues.
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    • Paper_Jam
      Expecting a call.

      100+ Posts
      • Jun 2007
      • 101

      #3
      On the same subject here. I have had it happen twice where the customer leaves the prior toner bottle top in the hopper and installed the new bottle somehow managing to get it back in the machine. The end result was all the mylar paddles in the hopper were torn off.
      I guess it forces the hopper mech too far back and then it rotates tearing off the paddles.

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      • Steve0
        A+, MCP, MCSE
        • Jan 2008
        • 13

        #4
        Check the cable

        You can check the cable.
        Sometimes cable loosed.

        Good luck.

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        • imaginemoko
          unTrusted Tech

          250+ Posts
          • Jan 2008
          • 289

          #5
          Originally posted by DaZ
          Here are a few things to try...

          Check the toner is geniune Ricoh and is definely for the 2045 model.

          Toner supply is controlled with readings from TD sensor on the dev unit and the I.D sensor above the drum by default.
          These are low cost parts and easy to change.
          (The TD sensor on this model have been known to fluctuate back and forth by a fair margin so is a good place to start).
          (I.D sensors don't fail that often, a good I.D sensor PWN reading should be around '100' mark).

          You could also try stripping down and cleaning out the toner hopper.
          Check the four mylars are present and the grabber is opening wide enough to grab the toner bottle nozzle sucessfully.
          Check the toner hopper exit slider is opening fully when the PCU is inserted.

          Update the firmware.
          There are changes for toner supply releated issues.


          add on "try to check if the toner supply motor is working via output check.... check if the spring is still there to drop the toner to the development unit
          fix the customer first then fix the machine... its simple and makes life more easy.

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          • Cipher
            It's not easy being green

            1,000+ Posts
            • May 2006
            • 1309

            #6
            FYI

            I had one of these 'add toner' faults today and it was the toner hopper all clogged up inside.
            The side bit where the toner drops down had hardened clumps of toner stuck around the side entrance mylar and the exit hole.
            • Knowledge not shared, is eventually knowledge that becomes lost... like tears in the rain.

            Fully qualified technician for Ricoh - Canon - Sharp - HP - Brother

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            • SGT_Snacks-64
              Trusted Tech

              100+ Posts
              • Oct 2007
              • 157

              #7
              Also check the seals around the Toner hopper/Dev unit, I'm not sure but if these are ripped/worn it could be shooting the Toner out into the machine rather than going into the Dev unit. But that's REALLY sucking straws.
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              • mrwho
                Major Asshole!

                Site Contributor
                2,500+ Posts
                • Apr 2009
                • 4299

                #8
                I too am having this problem. Followed every advise on this thread except for the TD sensor replacement - the developer is recent and I'd really like to avoid changing the developer because of the TD sensor. Is there any way of replacing the TD sensor without the need of replacing the developer also?
                ' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
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                • Denismed

                  #9
                  I would also check the the toner motor. I have seen these fail. Run simulation output check for toner motor. I would remove the toner supply unit and hold the motor when you run this sim. Sometimes the motor turns but does not have enough torgue to turn the toner supply unit. Easy replace motor comes out the front

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                  • ivacopy
                    Technician
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 46

                    #10
                    Change the toner motor

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                    • zed255
                      How'd ya manage that?

                      1,000+ Posts
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 1025

                      #11
                      Most common fault is the toner hopper, I'd start there then work toward more complex troubleshooting. Pop the hopper apart and check for the mylar paddles on the inner portion of the hopper, chances are some or all are missing.

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                      • mrwho
                        Major Asshole!

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                        2,500+ Posts
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 4299

                        #12
                        No luck with this one. Here's a list of things I've made to it so far:

                        - Cleaned toner hopper (all mylars are in place)
                        - Replaced ID sensor with new one
                        - Updated firmware to latest version
                        - Swapped developing unit and toner hopper with another working machine
                        - New drum and blade
                        - Experimented changing toner supply mode to pixel count
                        - Swapped toner bottle motor with another working machine

                        So far, and even though I've been trading parts with another machine sitting side-by-side next to this one, the problem remains. I really have no idea of where to look next. Maybe a sledgehammer?
                        ' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
                        Mascan42

                        'You will always find some Eskimo ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves.'

                        Ibid

                        I'm just an ex-tech lurking around and spreading disinformation!

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                        • spaceman99
                          Senior Tech

                          100+ Posts
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 174

                          #13
                          Pop the hopper apart and check for the mylar paddles on the inner portion of the hopper
                          Change the hopper, Not worth repairing.

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                          • Herrmann
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                            • Jan 2006
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                            #14
                            ok, you have an *organ donour*, that makes things easier....did you change the BICU yet?
                            If sometimes you feel a little useless, offended and depressed always remember that you were once the fastest and most victorious sperm of hundreds of millions!

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                            • Denismed

                              #15
                              Try putting a piece of paper between the toner supply unit and the dv unit blocking the flow of toner to the dv unit. Run some copies see if you can and see if toner is building up in the supply unit. this may help eliminate the toner supply to the dv unit as the problem

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