Printing on carbon paper

[salvador zambrano]

Customer has a Ricoh Aficio MP C6501. Every time customer prints on GIROFORM carbonless 2 part paper IT JAMS, no matter what tray they use .Regular 20lb paper prints perfectly fine all day long . I actually pulled tray 2 out to see it pull from tray 3 and what seems to happen is that the feed unit is having trouble separating paper, so I clear jam and separate the 2 sheets and then it prints that set fine but then next set jams the same way. This is after fanning the paper, restacking it and replacing torque limiter and feed tires .My question is has anyone had this problem and if so what was your fix. Also does anyone have any suggestions on this problem? Any help is appreciated. Thank you.

[mikadonovan]

Re: Printing on carbon paper

Giroform my be carbonless, but it's still a coated 2 part paper. This is from the PSG.

[logrady2331]

Re: Printing on carbon paper

I would do exactly what is recommended here. Tell the customer the paper isn't supported. Having said that, you could give them the option of the LCT with the air knife separation. That thing will feed just about anything. It will, however, eat fuser rollers.

[slimslob]

Re: Printing on carbon paper

The only Ricoh model line that I know of that Ricoh certifies carbonless NCR on are the D059 B/W Production Copiers and the Pro C651/C751 Production color copiers. They only certify them for feeding from the LCIT, preferably tray 5, for the flattest paper path. They recommend using the older 300K black feed rollers and that face up copying is turned on. Be aware that the chemicals used to make NCR paper are highly destructive to paper feed and transport rollers. The rollers will tend to swell up especially at the ends. If the customer insists on using NCR paper, replace what ever is the last transport roller that the paper made it past. Use the following rollers in the LCIT AF030071, AF031041 and AF032041.

[techsass]

Re: Printing on carbon paper

There was a mod years ago on the B&W machines - I think it might have been before the Mp9000 - for NCR paper. It required different tires & a mod to the paper tray where you changed a plate by the sep tire. I only had it at 1 account and the mod was packaged with the machines at delivery.

It did work so I would think that it's still available. I tried the Global Knowledge Base without any luck, but I'm always lousy with my search phrases.

Hopefully somebody else remembers it better.

[Tonerbomb]

Re: Printing on carbon paper

NO, and NO WAY, and NO FXXXING WAY will I support NCR coated (2 part, 3 part,ect...)stock on a machine not spec'ed to run it

[slimslob]

Re: Printing on carbon paper

There was a mod years ago on the B&W machines - I think it might have been before the Mp9000 - for NCR paper. It required different tires & a mod to the paper tray where you changed a plate by the sep tire. I only had it at 1 account and the mod was packaged with the machines at delivery.

It did work so I would think that it's still available. I tried the Global Knowledge Base without any luck, but I'm always lousy with my search phrases.

Hopefully somebody else remembers it better.

I think this is the mod you are referring to is this:

If NCR paper will be used, install the following guide plate shown below on the RT5040 DLT LCT (D453) Tray, which will be used for
feeding NCR Paper. The auxiliary guide plate ensures smooth feeding of NCR paper.
Appleton Xero/Form II NCR brand paper is the only brand NCR paper approved for this model. Constant use of NCR paper will
over time increase service activity and cost due to more frequent replacement of rubber components that come in contact with this
type of paper.
Name Part Number
Guide Plate: Reverse Auxiliary D4532552

This is from the Product Support Guide for the Pro 907EX Pro1107EX Pro1357EX. It is used on the LCIT. PSG also has instructions for install. It does work quite well for using NCR paper but is a pain to have to remove and reinstall when you need to replace reverse roller on the tray where it is installed.

[Gift]

Re: Printing on carbon paper

These papers aren't really suitable for laser printing - we made this experience, too when we tried to print barcodes on our service forms. Got us an inkjet for this purpose.

[slimslob]

Re: Printing on carbon paper

These papers aren't really suitable for laser printing - we made this experience, too when we tried to print barcodes on our service forms. Got us an inkjet for this purpose.

Laser printing of NCR paper works fine as long as you follow the printer manufacturer's recommendation. It also helps to have an operator who has had prior print press experience with NCR forms. I have a school district that has both a Pro 1357EX and a Pro 1107EX. He had worked for a couple of print shops prior to getting the job with the school. He does almost all large volume printing for 7 schools and the district office except sequential numbered forms.

[boydwendy]

Re: Printing on carbon paper

As long as you can print or photocopy, then it's possible to use the scheme below - just replace the words "print" and "photocopy" with "type out" and you should be all set.
It uses a sheet of carbon paper (basically, other bits of sticky paper that are slightly black) between the paper you're writing on and the paper that's underneath. The idea is that when you press your pen to the top sheet, it doesn't touch the bottom one, but leaves a mark all the same.
The carbon paper will leave two impressions of whatever you wrote - if you photocopy this, for example, you'll get one copy on the top sheet, and another underneath.
It works best with ink or gel pens, but pencil can look pretty good too - try it out!
If you've used a pen that has slightly run out of ink to produce the two impressions, then check whether there's any surplus ink down near where the tip meets the body. If there is, wipe it off thoroughly with tissue - if you don't you'll end up smudging the two impressions together into one which will look like an unbroken line.